Wikipedia:Portalê cemaeti/Other issues

The language of diq.wikipedia

In diq.wikipedia, it is supposed to be written in diq (Dimli) dialect/language. However, today although there are over a hundred articles written in diq dialect, the majority of articles and system messages are not written in the diq dialect/language. They are written in a "standard" language which also includes kiu dialect/language. This standard language is not understandable by Dimli speakers and it is a creation of only a handful of people who are not native speakers of Dimli. I, as the proposer of this Wikipedia and one of the sysops, believe that here only in diq dialect/language articles and system messages should be written. kiu dialect/language is illegible to have its own wikipedia. --Xosere 17:26, 4 Tebaxe 2008 (UTC)

Why should Kirmancki a own langauge, which linguist say this? List me the differents between the Central and Nothern dialect, but not phonetic differents. Let us show what words in Northern Dialect do exist, they are not exist in Southern or Central. Central Zazas as ZazaYasar, they can speak their language perfectly, can understand the Northern dialect well.

You even didnt understand simple words as "game" and thought the reason were the northern dialect. Words like "coka", "tepiya", "tayê" and "suke" do also exist in Southern and some of them also in Central. And also Southern Zazas use a own phonetical word for "can", they use:

southern zazaki: o şeno = he cans, northern zazas: o şikino, central: uı eşkenu. So here is also the problem not the northern mouth, that you didnt understand this word.

you say, you can understand the varto mouth, while the varto dialect is also northern zazaki. show us the differences between the varto and dersim dialects, there are only little phonetical differences.

So learn your language better. (also I self should learn Zazaki better)

ps: now i see thank of Mirzali, that the verb "pêsena" of rencber aziz' song also exist in the northern dialect. so we have now only one word difference, the rest are phonetical differences, and this differences do exist in all languages. and this one word difference Sağyer is anyway a village name.

also the german dialects have all their own codes, and i can understand ALL german dialects problemless, because i speak perfectly german:

we speak in our city beside the standard german the bavarian mouth, and we have not any problems. but bavaria have an own code as dialect

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=bar

Ps2: The "-do, -dê"-system for the "one, a" do exist also in the southern dialect, i will show for you a text of Koyo Berz for this.

Here the text of Koyo Berz (use the Crtl + F function to search):

http://www.kormiskan.info.se/

'Qandê nê semedi zi pêsero ka Kormiskani ziwandê Zazaki di tarixê do neweyo'

Here means "tarixê do neweyo" < bir yeni tarihdir.

Don't confuse the "do" here in the sentence with the "do" for verbs, to build the future. "newe" is not a verb, so it means "a new tarix". The "do, dê"-system for "one, a" does exist in the southen dialect definitly, also asmen said this. --Dersimıc 18:55, 4 Tebaxe 2008 (UTC)

Kirmancki could be a dialect or language. That is not an issue here. The diq code does not include Kirmancki micro-language, a term used by ethnologue--or let's say Kirmancki dialect. The language that is pushed by two other sysops here is just a creation of theirs that does not exist in reality. They are mixing diq and kiu micro-languages, but this is not understandable by diq speakers. That's creating confusion among speakers. That's why we should write in diq in diq.wikipedia and kirmancki speakers should have their kiu.wikipedia. Xosere 19:41, 4 Tebaxe 2008 (UTC)

PS3: The southern Zazas do use also the "no, na, nê"-System for "this", you can see this in all southern texts, in the texts of Faruk Iremet, Koyo Berz etc.

There is no a united "Southern Dialect", between the Central Dialect and Southern Dialect are also big differences. The only reason why get "kiu" and "diq" their own codes are phonetical reasons.

Do you have a statistic what evindec that the standard language ist not understanble? What points are not understanble? --Dersimıc 19:43, 4 Tebaxe 2008 (UTC)