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Arşiv 1 - Adar 3, 2013 Arşiv 1b - Keşkelun, 2012 Arşiv 2 - Sıbate, 2013 Arşiv 3 - Nisane, 2013 Arşiv 4 - Tışrino Verên, 2013 Arşiv 5 - Tışrino Peyên, 2015 Arşiv 6b - Tışrino Verên 2019

Werênayış:Keyeyê zıwanan

"ki" is used only for languages. Why you say "Hindo-Ewropaki"? Since it is not a language, it does not make sense. It should be Hindo Ewropaıc. Same thing with "Zıwanê İranki." There is no Iranki language. It should be Iranıc, which tells where the language from.--Xosere 15:36, 15 Gucige | Sıbat 2008 (UTC)

Embazo Delali, there was theoretical a proto language. But Iranıc or ewropayıc would be wrong, because the suffix -ıc is preserved for belonging to a nation, tribe, city or village (equivalent with the Turkish suffix -lı) but it isn't a language marker like -ish but -ki is an equative suffix (Turksih -cA/çA) also used for languages or also for adverbal buildings like peyserki 'backwards', çhepki 'leftwards' xoverki 'kendi kendine'. We can perhaps compromite at the term 'zıwanê Hind-Ewropa. --Asmên 00:04 16.02.2008 (CET)

Thank you for explanation bira. I know a theoretical language exist, but still Hindo-Ewropaki, Hindo-Iranki, Iranki cannot work just because they are not languages. I think 'Zıwanê Hind-Ewropa is better.

However, those language families belong to nations and geographic places. Hind-Ewropaıc would mean a languages belonging to Indo-European languages. I don't see anything wrong here.

I have one more question. Why it is not 'Zıwananê Hind-Ewropa? Because there are many languages in language families. --Xosere 00:19, 16 Gucige | Sıbat 2008 (UTC)

Hi bıra Xosere! The explanation of bıra Asmên is plausible. (By the way, many thanks bıra Asmên!)

The suffix -ıc indicates always a living being (a person) belonging to somewhere/something. So it doesn't work for abstract terms or lifeless things.

The Ezafe suffix for casus rectus is an -ê and the causal suffix -an (-an + ê = -anê) is only used in case of casus obliquus (the second form of grammatical cases in Zazaki). Notice, both of them (the suffixes) are plural, but in two different forms dependent on their cases. --Mirzali 02:41, 16 Gucige | Sıbat 2008 (UTC)

For the Zazaki page

Man Irani hastam va sotun Farsi raa por Kardam. Hi I am an Iranian and I filled out the Persian column (Sotun). I am glad Zazas are doing their best to keep their culture and heritage alive. --Nepaheshgar 21:17, 1 Tişrino Peyên 2008 (UTC)

Taşakkor mikonam! --Mirzali 01:49, 2 Tişrino Peyên 2008 (UTC)

Some mistakes in the translation

• Texteyê cerrebi < cerreb actually doesn't exist in Zazaki, it's a new founded word, from the authors, it must be: Textey cerrebnayışi
• iştırakê mı < the 'i' is here small, it must be a big İ
• Kamci pele ke raşt amê < ist must be: Kamci pele ke raşt ameye
• Mesel vırazê: 1. mesel is 'hikâye, fıkra' (story), vırazê is subjunctive, not imperative, it must be: Mewzu vıraze (with -E-) 'konu oluştur/aç'
• peştdariye < it's I believe a neologizm, better is: desteg
• vurnayışê eleqeyıni < it must be: vurnayışê elaqeyıni (this a > e shift is specially for Kurmanji, like parçe > perçe etc. but not for Zazaki)

--Omid V. (mesac) 15:54, 17 Adare 2013 (UTC)

For article Selahattin Demirtaş

Can you explain to me, why there is coming "Demirtaşi", that I lean. Thank you.

Do you not mean "Demirtaş qedeno" or not? --Omid 12:35, 9 Hezirane 2010 (UTC)

Or is there in Zazaki a rule that one say for "ey/ae qedeno/qedena"?

Bırao delali Omıd,

du musst erstmal die Tempora unterscheiden. Hier geht es nicht um Gegenwart (Präsens), sondern um Vergangenheit (Präteritum, Perfekt, Imperfekt, Plusquamperfekt). Bei transitiven Verben in der Vergangenheit befindet sich das Subjekt immer im Obliquus.

qedenaene = beenden, vollenden

Präsens

ez qedenenan

ez mekteb qedenenan (ez ey qedenenan)

ez mektube qedenenan (ez ae qedenenan)

ez kıtaban qedenenan (ez inan qedenenan)

tı qedenenay

o qedeneno

a qedenena

ma qedenenime

şıma qedenenê

ê qedenenê

Präteritum

mı (to, ey, ae, ma, şıma, inan) o/a/ê qedena/qedenê/qedenay

mı mekteb qedena (mı o qedena)

mı mektube qedenê (mı a qedenê)

mı kıtabi qedenay (mı ê qedenay)

Perfekt

mı (to, ey, ae, ma, şıma, inan) o/a/ê qedeno/qedena/qedenê

mı mekteb qedeno (mı o qedeno)

mı mektube qedena (mı a qedena)

mı kıtabi qedenê (mı ê qedenê)

Imperfekt

mı (to, ey, ae, ma, şıma, inan) qedenêne

mı mekteb/mektube/kıtabi qedenêne (mı o/a/ê qedenêne)

Plusquamperfekt

mı (to, ey, ae, ma, şıma, inan) qedenay bi

mı mekteb/mektube/kıtabi qedenay bi (mı o/a/ê qedenay bi)

--Mirzali 18:32, 9 Hezirane 2010 (UTC)

I mixed the past tense verb "qedena" with the present tense verb "qediyeno", sorry, my mistake.

PS: I'm informed about the change of Obliquus < > Rectus in Ergative. --Omid 19:13, 9 Hezirane 2010 (UTC)

Zur Unterscheidung:

qedenaene (transitiv, agentiv) = beenden, vollenden

qediyaene (intransitiv, passiv) = vollendet sein, aufgebraucht sein

--Mirzali 19:40, 9 Hezirane 2010 (UTC)

Werênayış:Portal:Zanışi

I think it is better to use Zanayış. Doesn't really hurt. --Xosere 14:32, 15 Heziran 2008 (UTC)

"bilmek" is in Zazaki "zana-yen", zanayış = is the nomen, it means "bilim, bilgi". Also in German, in Kurdish and other indoeuropean languages there is no difference between "Bilgi" and "bilish". Even in German and Kurdish there is no difference between "bilmek, bilim, bilgi", in german "wissen" means all that things, in kurdish "zanîn".

And if we have in Zazaki an own ending for nomes, why we should dont use this? You self write:

Peybend -ış zıwano standard de naman ifade keno.

So why you against the things what you write in the Standard Terms? --Dersimıc 09:59, 17 Heziran 2008 (UTC)

Little Fix: "wissen" is in german "bilmek, bilgi". But "bilim" is in german "wissenschaft", sorry for the mistake.--Dersimıc 11:51, 17 Heziran 2008 (UTC)

Second Fix: "bilim" is in kurdish: zanist. --Dersimıc 10:54, 18 Heziran 2008 (UTC)

So Asmen is here right, that "zanayış" is = bilgi (knowledge) and not "bilim" (science). --Dersimıc 11:00, 18 Heziran 2008 (UTC)

I like the new main page.

Zanışiye is the most suitable word for science, because it describes the precise meaning. The stem and the suffixes are quite rightly, concerning the structure of the word. In addition, it fits to the Iranian languages. --Mirzali

Erdemaslancan

Bıra u wayêne, mesaco corên mı rê Erdemaslancani nuşto. Ê nê merdumi heta nıka ebe kopyakerdışi ra ita de iştırakê xo biyê. Wextê mıno ke bi, aşmanê peyênan de mı tenya ğeletanê dey raştkerdışi ra viyarna ra. Verênde ebe mıxtelif nameyan ra kewt cı (Abramoviç, Tadiranscopus, Calanor, Arde, Newos). Nıka zi urşto ra, namê mı (Mirzali2, Mirzali3, Mirzali4 heta Mirzali16 u Mirzali Zazaoğlu uêb.) ra hesabê newey vıraştê. Ez nê naletmey ra endi se vaci? Haşa şıma ra, cayıl u cuhulê zey nê heri koti ra yenê qıdıxê ma de vecinê? Bıra u wayêne, şıma se vanê? -- Mirzali

~ Tiya de bıvênên! Seba mı çı nuşto. No domanek nara dıme endi mıxatebê mı niyo. -- Mirzali

~ Bıra u wayêne, mı seba nê naletmey komiteyê zıwani de gerre darde kerd. Şıma rê zameto, şıma zi gerreyê xo tede vacên. Her kesi rê hurmetê mı esto, wes u war bên!

~ Tiya de zi bıvênên! -- Mirzali

~ Eke Arde (Calanor, Newos) be Erdemaslancani (Abramoviç, Tadiranscopus) ra ciyayê u nê yew kes niyê, çıra ney yewbini sero şonê u şaşiye finê kar? Arde zi zey Erdemi zaf ğelet nuseno. Nê herdımêna zi Zazaki rınd nêzanê. Ebe kopyakerdışi ra khalıkê mı zi şeno çiyê darde kero. Caran ebe nê usıli biyo? Nê domaneki qet xo ra ar nêkenê, qet şari ra nêşermayinê? Eybo, edebo! -- Mirzali

• Dear Managers of Wikipedia,please look at the History of The Community Portal, [[1]] Mirzali closed the community portal for days,(community portal should be open to all users for cooperation) he violated the one of the biggest rules of Wikipedia,all of you are will see it.When I complained him to you are,he opened the community portal again for trick you are!dont believe him please!Just Look at the History of the Community portal here [[2]],and check the dates,You are all will see the fact Arde

What a pathetic guy! This is so ridiculous. Since he can not Zazaisch, he jumps to his puny English. My answer is in any case here. I need not repeat every time. However, it would be better. Here again: Here is a proof of his lies. Because he (Erdemaslancan alias Abramoviç and Tadiranscopus) claimed to be independent of that allegedly Arde (Calanor, Newos). It had every time a good reason why I blocked him. But he ran his foul play on and on. Not to mention his edit war under different IP-numbers. Even worse, he oppened many sockpuppet accounts with my username like Mirzali2, Mirzali3, Mirzali4, Mirzali5, Mirzali6, Mirzali7, Mirzali8, Mirzali10, Mirzali11, Mirzali12, Mirzali13, Mirzali14, Mirzali15, Mirzali16 and Mirzali Zazaoğlu etc. (block logs). I wanted first to settle this issue in our internal community portal among us. However, he has removed my entry and I was insulted by him in Turkish miscellaneous times and he deleted my personal texts from my user page. What is this childish behavior, I wonder? Do you want to let him get away like that? -- Mirzali

Şimdiye kadar sen ve Ardenin arasına girmedim, Bu güne kadar durdum ve bekledim, Bu günden sonra sen mezara girinceye kadar peşindeyim, meta, diq viki, incubator, translatewiki, vs nefes aldığın müddetçe peşinde olacağım. En derinden kinlerimle Erdem aslancan

This guy Erdem aslancan is seriously mentally disturbed. He is a potential danger to society. His morbid threat is following what he has written above in Turkish.

I wasn't ever between you and Arde. Until this day I stopped and waited. From this day until the grave I'm haunting you. I'll chase you at meta, diq.wiki, incubator, translatewiki etc. as long as you get breath. With my most deeply hate, Erdem aslancan.

I wonder, how sick must be someone to think such a thing? Especially since I don't know him personally. He is not in my league. I advise him only, he must be treated psychologically. -- Mirzali

Beni bu tür laflar tınlamıyor hacı, kendi evimdeyim sen veya başka bir kullanıcı beni engellemekten başka elinden ne bok gelebilir ki, Defalarca sana söylüyorum, metadan veya başka bir yerden çıkacak bir sonuç beni ve ardeyi bağlamayacaktır, Sen bu viki terk ettiğin gün bende terk edecem, sen durdukça bende duracam, Senin bu mücadelen benim yaşam kaynağım, Ben gücümü senden alıyorum, en içten nefretsel duygularımı kusarım.Erdem Aslancan

• This is for Mirzali in Zazaki ;

tı kamo Mirzali? tı kamo? Wayêrê Wikipedia Zazaki tı niyo,fam bıke.Tı zaf nêzanayo,tı zaf harayo, u ez fikir kenan ke, tı serê to be Wikipediya werdo.Ema ema,Ez tı teqib kenan,İnca,Wikipedia seba to mınasib niyo,fekê to zaf zaf piso,tı veng u varit qısey keno.Be haştiye ya zi be lecê,incay terk bıkê!Ek tı xêyr ra fam nêkeno,be zaruret,tı do incay biterkê..fam bıkê. (Dear Managers you all see I know Zazaki,Mirzal is lying and wants to trick you are,dont believe him please) Arde

Supposedly, if someone knew how many grammatical and spelling errors it contains. Not to mention the phrases and sentence structures of which he has no idea. -- Mirzali

Mirzali kusura bakma ,Ben gerçek Zazacayla konuşuyorum,senini gibi gerçek Zazacanın yandan yemişi,dejenere olmuş kuzey Zazacası ile konuşmuyorum bu yüzden benim yazdigim Zazacayi anlayamaman ve sorun bulman cok normal,zaten istesen de anlayamazsin IQ problemi var sende.Sana diyecegim su dur ki bunu da iyice belle,iki cihan bir araya gelse de sen bu vikiden gideceksin tamam mi,burada kurdugun kralliginin son gunlerini yasiyorsun,iyi gecir.Arde

• This is for Managers;

Dear Managers,i will say to you are just one thing,please check the pages which ones I wrote in here [[3]] you are all will see the fact! You all see Mirzali here insults Erdemaslancan and me,he saying he must be treated psychologically,potential danger to society,he is mentally disturbed,he is writing with his puny english,they are pathetic guys and also he in Zazaki insults us,these ones are what Mirzali wrote,against to Human rights,and rules of Wikipedia,Mirzali is so rude to all people,he is acting just like a despot.this is really disagreeable for Wikipedia,Wikipedia is a reputable encyclopedia.I would like that,Mirzali should be removed from Wikipedia/this prestigious encyclopedia.You are all see who talking about facts,who lies,decision is yours.) Arde

What a child rummaging. Since you can only shake your head. The One is not better than the other. If there ever is another in reality. Our future is unfortunately dark, when we have to do every time with such pubescent children. In other wikis work hundreds if not thousands of people together. Such ill children make the life difficult for us. -- Mirzali

Mirzali's insults are really sickening,Im talking about that what he saying us in Zazaki language.If someone would know that what he saying us in Zazaki language,really that person would be puking now. Arde

This mentally disturbed person (Erdem Aslancan) uses an illegal method, to give force to his lies. He violates any rules of wiki projects. He needs to be banned from everywhere, because he's just a culprit and no reliable person. Here he asks strangers to testify against me. These people who have previously voted against me. But they are unknown to me and have nothing to do with Zazaki Wikipedia. -- Mirzali

Ya neyin derdindesin anlamıyorum seni, oraya buraya şikayet ederek nereye varmayı düşünüyorsun, Bütün viki projelerinde erdemaslancan kullanıcı adının silsinler ne işe yarayacak, tadiranscopusu da silsinler, abramoviçi de silsinler, umrumda bile olmaz. O kadar çok kullanıcı adım var ki sen her ne yapacaksan ve her ne yapmak istiyorsan yap beni zerre kadar tınlamaz, Şikayet ederken de edebinle muhalefet et, Hakaret küfür etmeler olursa cümlelerinde, bende ağzımı bozarım. Diğer bir husus ise ne yaparsan yap boşuna, bir kaç güne kadar sana büyük bir sürprizim var.

Takabeg's opinion and proposal

• According to Check User Information at Meta, Karber:Calanor (sockpuppets of Karber:Calanor = Karber:Arde and Karber:Newos, possibly Karber:Calanor and Karber:Arde are not same person.) Karber:Arde, Karber:Newos (I'm sure that this use should be a sock of Karber:Arde) are not the sockpuppet of Karber:Erdemaslancan. However there is common point among all users. Every user doesn't insert a space after punctuation.
• The first block of Karber:Calanor (on 26 May 2012) had been done without valid reason. Because Karber:Calanor didn't have any other accounts at the time (at least there is no evidence of proof).
• After this first blocking, Karber:Calanor created his/her sockpuppet Karber:Arde.
• After fourth block of Karber:Arde (on 27 September 2012), he/she created Karber:Newos.
• Karber:Calanor = Karber:Arde = Karber:Newos abused policy on multiple accounts in meta on 28 September 2012.
• Karber:Mirzali made serious mistake when he blocked Karber:Calanor on 26 May 2012. He had to request chek user at Meta before he blocked Karber:Calanor but he neglected this necessary process. Moreover and surprisingly, Karber:Calanor have never been alerted before he was blocked.
• Karber:Calanor also made serious mistake. Although he/she could have to request check user at Meta to vindicate himself/herself, he/she preferred to create sock-account (Karber:Arde).
• Karber:Calanor has to be unblocked, because the orininal reason of blocking Karber:Calanor is not valid. Karber:Arde and Karber:Newos have to be blocked with an expiry time of indefinitely, because of abusing multiple accounts.

Takabeg (mesac) 04:20, 23 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Karber:Mirzali had shown these edits by Karber:Tadiranscopus on the user page of Karber:Calanor with his comment "Here is a proof of his lies.". But this cannot be accepted as a proof of his lies. It's the similar to these edits by Karber:Mirzali on the user page of Karber:Newera. These edits cannot be accepted as the proof of sockpuppetry of Karber:Mirzali and Karber:Newera. In spite of this edit by Karber:Tadiranscopus on the user page of Karber:Addihockey10, Karber:Addihockey10 is not the sock of Karber:Tadiranscopus. In spite of these edits by Karber:Mirzali on my user page, I'm not the sock of Karber:Mirzali. Takabeg (mesac) 04:55, 23 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

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Şablon:Done Mirzali (mesac)

Proposal for the removal of sysop access

Those two user didn't contribute for deletions and blocks for more than two years. I think they have no time to contribute for Zazaki Wikipedia and retired. So I propose removing their sysop access (+ Belekvor's 'crat access). When they would return to Zazaki Wikipedia and want to get sysop access, they can request it again.

• Karber:Belekvor (deletion log, block log)
• Karber:Xosere (deletion log, block log)

• Support Takabeg (mesac) 22:37, 6 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

User:タチコマ robot

Shall we give to a permission to global bot User:タチコマ robot to make following edits:

1. To change [[Kategoriye:]] -> [[Kategoriye:]].

2. To change Infobox {{Suki}} -> {{Sûke}}, {{Suke}} -> {{Sûke}}

3. To create article on districts and villages of Turkey like vi:Thành viên:Cheers!'s work in Vietnamese Wikipedia. We will have to provide fotmats of districts of Turkey and villages of Turkey.

• Support Takabeg (mesac) 08:01, 23 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

• Support Mirzali (mesac)

• Thank you. Consensus was established (at present the community consists of two user). Takabeg (mesac) 23:56, 23 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

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Re-write for Terteleyê Dêrsımi

Kanımca bu madde yeniden yazılırsa faydalı olacaktır. Madde kabaca şu şekilde olmalıdır, bence:

1. Background: İskân Kanunu, Tunceli Kanunu v.s..

2. 1937 Harekâtı: Seyit Rızaların idam edilmelerine kadar - Birinci Tunceli Harekâtı

3. 1938 Harekâtı:

3-1. Temmuz 1938'e kadar - İkinci Tunceli Harekâtı

3-2. Ağustos 1938'den sonra (harekâtın komuta yetkisinin Dördüncü Genel Müfettişliğinden Üçüncü Ordu'ya devralındıktan sonra)

3-2-1: Üçüncü Tunceli Harekâtı: 10-17 Ağustos 1938

3-2-2: Temizleme harekâtı

4. Laç Deresi Muharebesi, tr:Zini Gediği Katliamı etc... Takabeg (mesac) 22:59, 4 Tişrino Peyên 2012 (UTC)

Werênayış:Xoverdayışê Şêx Seidi

Şeyh Said Ayaklanması ise Terteleyê Şêx Seidi değil mi ? Takabeg (mesac) 12:01, 29 Tişrino Verên 2012 (UTC)

Xoverdayış aslında direniş demektir. Tertele ise yağma, talan, çapul, akın, saldırı anlamlarına gelir. Dolayısıyla geleneksel olarak halk arasında böyle söylene gelen bazı nitelendirmeler diğer dillerdeki tanımlamalarla sözcük bakımından bire bir örtüşmeyebilir, ancak anlam yönünden aynı şeyi dile getirir. Mirzali (mesac)

Hmm. Yine de bu ayaklanma bir direniş değildi. Mesela Dersim'de dört taraftan kuşatmış durumdaydı ama burada öyle bir durum yoktu. Takabeg (mesac) 12:59, 29 Tişrino Verên 2012 (UTC)

Şimdi, karşıt tarafların olayı farklı görüp dolayısıyla nitelendirmeleri de o yönde olur. Bir tarafın bunu isyan veya ayaklanma olarak görmesi, diğer tarafın bunu direniş veya müdafaa olarak görmesi doğaldır. Kaldı ki isyanların çıkış sebepleri vardır. Nitekim galip (yenen) taraf kahramanlığı ile övünürken, mağlup (yenik) tarafın mağduriyeti ve acıları ne olacak? Yani olayları tek taraflı görmemek lazım. Bu yüzden benim kalkıp halk arasında yerleşik bir görüşü değiştirmeye yetkim yoktur. Bunu anlamanı ümit ediyorum. Mirzali (mesac)